Consequently the larger pipe that crosses the path always contains water in the U. The grow beds drain via the standard down pipe configuration drawn in his post, into three larger pipes that drop down cross a path and then come back up before draining into the sump. I have three grow beds two of which we're working a treat the third of which puzzled me for days until reading this forum. I have learnt that what Robert123 advised in post #6 is 100% accurate. If you understand the principles of what you might be encountering, you will be successful.
You are going to be your own best fluids engineer on this because you are actually at the site. There are a few ways to beat that effect.ġ) The first is to simply shorten the horizontal pipe run as discussed.Ģ) Turn your discharge elbow sideways as discussed, change it to a 45 or 30 degree bend, or eliminate it entirely.ģ) You can upsize the horizontal run to a larger pipe size.Ĥ) Adjust your "horizontal" run from the standpipe to your sump such that it actually points sightly downward.Īll of these approaches have one thing in common: You are trying to empty the pipe / break the water seal at slow / intermittent flow. You want that hydraulic seal to form so as to start the siphon, but you also want it to break easily so as to stop the siphon. What I'm trying to show you is that the horizontal pipe run can actually contain a hydraulic seal even when the bell is gasping for air. (By a hydraulic seal, I mean your pipe appears to be holding enough water in it between air gulps such that the siphon reestablishes itself.) Refer to the attached crude sketch. Without that air being able to come back up that path, you may not be able to break the hydraulic seal in the pipe itself and you'll observe the gulping and slurping that you describe. The majority of the air that breaks the siphon in a properly designed system actually comes up into the bell via the downpipe. It's a common misconception that the air coming in the bell at the slits / holes in the bell that control the minimum water level is what breaks the siphon. To break the siphon you need to get air into the bell via the downpipe. You are simply having trouble breaking the siphon. They are also OK in that your bed dumps fast. Your pipe runs are working well in that they are giving enough back pressure so as to start the siphon. Let's work on the piping runs themselves before we punt to other solutions. Kindly share any other thoughts or possible solutions so I go on site prepared the siphon starts right on time, as soon as the last fitting 32/25mm adaptor of the stand pipe gets water, there is a rapid flow of water within few seconds and it empties the whole grow bed in under in 5-6 minutes. Murray's too) on toteponics, I am pretty sure I had even less water coming in the grow bed when I was trying to make the siphon stop (during testing). Regarding the piping below the grow bed, is there a minimum length required for the downwards pipe and then the horizontal one that is over the sump? as mentioned above, the vertical pipe coming from the tank fitting is about 10cm, then a 90o elbow and then 7-8cm pipe to go over the sump.Īs for the flow, watching several videos (Mr. My goal is to gather a few possible solutions in advance so I can get all parts necessary when I visit the site. I will go ahead with the modification Yabbies suggested first, as the last elbow below the grow bed is indeed pointing downwards instead horizontally.
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Again, no luckĪt the bottom, i have a 10cm pipe coming down the tank fitting, then a 90oC elbow, 8cm long pipe and then another 90o elbow to drop the water in the sumpĬan you please advice how to fix the siphons? what is the problem here? I then cut some notches up to 4cm from the bottom, 3cm wide, hoping that it would allow more air to come in thus breaking the siphon. On the bell pipe, i first had the same hole as Mr.
I even had the incoming flow at very minimum is a sense that it would need 30-40 min to fill up one growbed (it was that low) but still the siphon wouldn't break. I played a bit with the incoming flow, I guess you should have less water coming in that coming out the siphon (thus to stop), but no luck. I can hear the siphons getting air, like gasping for air, the flow of the siphon is dropped dramatically, then picks up again, then again gasping for air and so on. They empty within reasonable time but the siphons do not stop. The grow beds fill up nicely and then the siphons begin. I followed the design of toteponic with 25cm stand pipe (25mm) (from bottom of growbed to top incl fittings), a 29cm bell (63mm) and 35cm outer 4" shrout (100cm) I have started my system today which consists of 2 x 850 liter growbeds emptying in a 800Liter sump and a 1000liter fish tank.
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